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CONTINUING FRETBUZZ CYBER TUTORIALS?

I was wondering whether there might be some merit in one or two of the more learned members posting what may be a number of "tutorials" in Fetbuzz on various subjects at the beginner level, in a stepped way. The advantage over the lessons being that Fretbuzz is interactive and many people come at the stuff from different angles, thereby improving our ability to understand stuff.

EG

These could be:

Blues 1:
Blues 2:
Blues 3:

etc.

I say this becaue I notice that many of the posts cover the same or similar ground - eg Playing solo over chords, and relating scales to chords, etc.

I (and I am sure others) learn from the questions OTHERS ask, as much as from the questions we ask myself/ourselves. If the posts and threads remained, and were cleaned out from time to time for repetition, people could visit them and revisit them. They could also visit at the level they are at. Eg An absolute beginner might visit Blues 1 to start. Someone else who has been mucking around for years, but wants some coherence to their knowledge, might start at level 3, etc. The build up of knowledge and "FAQs" might be fantastic. It might also better manage the demands of 'teachers' as the site gets more and more members. Then again I acknowledge that it might be a bad idea. I'd welcome your thoughts.

RW
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Re: CONTINUING FRETBUZZ CYBER TUTORIALS?

7/17/2001 12:26 AM

Robert Silvia (1575) wrote:

That's a good idea.

The only problem I see with that is that it might turn into one of those 7 page long theory/technique discussions. Making it hard to get the good information out of it.

Now you said and were cleaned out from time to time for repetition, who would clean it out and how they decide what is good and what isnt Im sure there would be conflicting opinions on that.

Maybe if the lessons started in the message boards then as it developed over the months someone create a lesson based on it, and updated it every once in a while with any new information the aroused here in the message boards. Also in the lessons people can search for them easier, and the can put stuff in tab.



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Re: CONTINUING FRETBUZZ CYBER TUTORIALS?

7/17/2001 12:43 AM

Ron Wiber (3568) wrote:

Thanks for the response Robert. I see what you mean about cleaning it out. Maybe that's not an option. Actually, I don't see a problem with the thread being longish. I have found that the more different ways a problem is posed, and the more different ways it is answered, the more likely it is that slow learners like myself are likely to get the message. Like a classroom. In a learning experience, people are not necessarily going to want a quick fix. I think they will have the patience to read thru it. There are other mechanisms for that (quick answers in WN anyway. Moreover, there is a problem now of the kind that you write about - In that there are so many threads to search through to get the info you need. In fact, the more I think ait bout the more I think that repetition is not a bad idea, and a little repetitiveness wouldn't matter anyhow.

Anyway, please don't think I am being dogmatic about this. I am merely fleshing my argument a bit further out in order to that we might come to a better conclusion, whether that be for or against.

RW



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Re: CONTINUING FRETBUZZ CYBER TUTORIALS?

7/17/2001 1:59 AM

Robert Silvia (1575) wrote:

Na I don't think your being dogmatic. I am all for it too, I just wanted to point out some of the difficulties with the idea.

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Re: CONTINUING FRETBUZZ CYBER TUTORIALS?

7/17/2001 3:34 AM

Charles Gacsi (42523) wrote:

Dear Ron,
It is true that some times material is redundant for some. For others it may be the first time they saw it. With time, each individual becomes more selective on what they view. If you take a class in a given subject, much of the material you may have already been exposed to. The person that gets the most out of a given class is the one, in the class amoung the students, that knows more about the subject than the rest of the students. It is that one little thing that was presented in a slightly different view of the subject matter that the knowlegeable student knows the most about.

When you view enough material, from different individuals, you start to become more selecive and dispense with a lot of the extra material. Hang in there. Charlie

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Re: CONTINUING FRETBUZZ CYBER TUTORIALS?

7/17/2001 11:15 PM

Sharon Bakula (953) wrote:

I just want to weigh in and say that, as a beginner, I like this idea. I like it a lot.

I don't see any need to worry about cleaning things out, either. I enjoy skimming through long threads myself. Sometimes the ensuing discussions help me understand things that weren't clear to me from someone's initial explanation, or help me to understand it on a different level. I've become fairly adept at skipping over material that contains either repetition that I'm not in need of or is over my head. You almost have to acquire that skill to make the most of fretbuzz anyway. :o)

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Re: CONTINUING FRETBUZZ CYBER TUTORIALS?

7/17/2001 11:47 PM

Chuck Stensrud (13014) wrote:

Ron,

I am seeing this sort of thing (not specifically what you are speaking of, but similar) going on here already. There are many posts now where a member says, OK, we've don this before, see such and such a thread. This seems to be happening more and more in the theory and instructional categories.

When I say sort of, I don't mean on the order of blues 1, blues 2, etc. I am only saying that the concept is already present and being used in a similar sort of way.

I would see more value in grouping the lessons, so that you could chose not only beginner, but also intermediate and advanced.

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Sort of new but related topic. One of the reasons I think that WN threads are becoming increasingly off the guitar topic is that many of the regulars have seen the same subject matter come and go many times now. You can only discuss the same topics once or twice before you become bored. Note that the longest running topics these days are either way off the guitar topic, or they are rather newish discussions on the theory forum. This ought to tell us something.

How many times can you discuss the Gibson vs. Fender vs. other topic. How many times can you say that a lot of rock music is based on the pentatonic scales.

I'm starting to feel like the group that had heard the same jokes so many times that ehey started calling them by number. 17 - Ha ha. 23 - Ha ha. 15 - ..... Hey, you didn't tell it right.

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Re: CONTINUING FRETBUZZ CYBER TUTORIALS?

7/18/2001 12:02 AM

Ron Wiber (3568) wrote:

Thanks Chuck

Chuck, before I begin, I want to announce that I am emerging from a "po faced", "he just looks like he has swallowed two spoonfuls of vinegar" phase.

I acknowledge your points, esp about the value of grouping lessones, the fact that the number of threads on the same or similar topics it is sort of being managed in an unstructured way now, and the possible need to have 3 levels of tutorials or grouped lessons.

With my proposition of continuing and identifiable Tutorials, (my emphasis) It doesn't matter if the stuff is repetitive. Actually, that is a good thing. Eg Explanations of how chords relate to Scales - As a beginner/intermediate, I want that explained to me several hundred ways till I understand!!!

But if someone doesn't want to know about it, they can avoid the post. EG Avoid "Blues Tutorial 5 - Relating scales to chords".

Furhther food for thought.

Ron Wiber

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Re: CONTINUING FRETBUZZ CYBER TUTORIALS?

7/18/2001 12:18 AM

Chuck Stensrud (13014) wrote:

Ron,

I guess I have missed the point altogether (not strange at my advanced age). Please explain what this concept would look like.

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Re: CONTINUING FRETBUZZ CYBER TUTORIALS?

7/19/2001 9:09 AM

Ron Wiber (3568) wrote:

Here is a suggested structure that I reckon could not only help and guide students, but would reduce the demands upon "teachers" and lesson writers. It could be posted at the top of each thread:

"Continuing Tutorial "5" (Similar for other numbers).

"Genre/Type: Blues.
Title of tutorial: ############
"Required WN lessons - recommended reading and practice before you join this tutorial:

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#####
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etc

"What you could expect to know after participating this turorial and doing the preliminary lesson and reading: #####

"Recommended further reading and lessons:

#######


#Next step: eg "Go to" #######"

But I am not a teacher and have had no teacher training. I would welcome ideas.

Ron Wiber


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Re: CONTINUING FRETBUZZ CYBER TUTORIALS?

7/19/2001 10:25 AM

Chuck Stensrud (13014) wrote:

Ok, now I comprehend. I agree that this would be valuable. Only two questions - who and how?

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