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Les Paul vs SG

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Guitar Equipment Forum · 4/6/2001 11:34 PM
I am curious as to what the sonic differences are between the Les Paul Standard and SG Standard, the Gibsons not the Epis. They seem to have the same pickups, same knobs 'n' switches, same fretboard. A different body type, so I can kinda guess some differences in the sounds, but I am interested in hearing from some experienced Gibson guys who can compare the two side by side.

BTW, why the heck does a Les Paul cost $2200? I don't think I'll ever have that much cash to spend on a guitar!

-mike
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Re: Les Paul vs SG

4/12/2001 1:24 AM

Bud Sloniger (166) wrote:

I've played electric guitar for 25 years and a Les Paul has always been my main stage guitar, and currently is a '82 custom antique sunburst with a late-70's DiMarzio SDHP in the treble position. It totally rocks. It's an indestructible axe-grinder. I love it. Like another poster said, there's nothing like it, the weight, the feel, the neck radius, the neck angle, the sustain. Even against high-end Ibenez or PRS (same price point, though).

SG's are cool too...a little more edge, a lot lighter, but still a very durable guitar thet will rock for ages. Angus...yeah. One of these days I'm gonna add one to my collection. Maybe a Goth Flying V too. I'm a big, fat (sounding) heavy, Gibson hard-core fan.

Stay away from the Epi's !!! they're s---. If you want an SG or an LP get one made in Nashville, US of A. C'mon, man, use your head, use your resources. Look in the paper, look online, used, perfectly fine ones are available at reasonable prices. But, be careful. take the back cover off and check it out, these guitars are sought-after and valuable, and therfore can be frauds.

I'm in a position in my life where I could walk onto MARS any day of the week, plop down my AMEX and walk out with a flame-top '59 reissue. What the hell for?

My current axe is an heirloom in the making, man. Undeniably...instant credibility. "Oh, you play lead guitar, what kind do you play?" "A Gibson Les Paul Custom." Raised eyebrows...thinking...this guy's SERIOUS. A strat is 50 different guitars. There is only one Les Paul Custom, and I hope you find your Alpine White one someday. You wanna still be jammin hard when YOU'RE 40 and balding! To me, anything else is a passing phase, just a hobby. I learned to play guitar because it was something I wanted to do with my life, and just like my grandfather, I wanna play right up to my last day.



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4/12/2001 12:18 PM

Daniel Ege (605) wrote:

I don't know what to say to the "epi's are s..." statements on some of these posts. except I guess it's like the difference between a Harley and a Honda. They both get you to your destination, but one will "raise eyebrows" and the other one won't. I personally will never buy a guitar to "raise eyebrows" again. I let my ability to play the guitar either do that, or not. If people want to pay high $ for a Gibson, then by all means do so, but to do it to "raise eyebrows" and show people you are a serious guitar player?!?! I can go into any music store in the country and plop down $3500 for a guitar, and 10 years ago I actually used to do that (I have a credit card like many other people in the country). But I found out it's not the guitar people are impressed with but the ability of the person playing it. This post started out as the difference between LP & SG. My suggestion would be to take your amp to a music store and try both of them out on it. Both the Gibsons, and the Epiphones. Let your hands tell you what you like, you can always change out the nut, pups, and switches at a later time on an epi, and still have a fine instrument. I don't care what a resale value would be on any instrument I buy since I plan on keeping it for life. I use all my guitars to play out with, not to hang on a wall and impress people with how much I can afford to spend on them. Sorry if this post makes some people mad, I guess I would rather spend my extra $ on P.A. or studio equipment, than on eye candy.



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4/12/2001 3:49 PM

David Mackie (11072) wrote:

Good thoughts, Daniel. I agree %100. In fact, I'll go so far as to say that I've played a few Epi Les Pauls that were sonically superior to most of the Gibson Les Pauls I've played.



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4/12/2001 5:56 PM

Stphane Tremblay (26) wrote:

Right. I have one Epi and it plays well. It's a SG(400), and i've tried some real Gibson since i bought it, and the biggest difference i noted is in the finish, and the choice of woods: sometimes they glue 2 pieces of wood together without matching the colors. Like my guitar: it's made of 5 pieces, with one just a little "darker" than the rest. But from a distance, it just look like the Gibson, and it sure sound and feel close too. Other thing about the tuners, the Gibson i tried did not have excellent tuners either.



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4/18/2001 12:58 AM

Bud Sloniger (166) wrote:

I've never played an epi that even comes close to my Les Paul. Anyway, I was suggesting looking for a used LP...I guess I didn't make that clear enough. I did spend big bucks on mine (new) years ago, and I would have been just as well served to shop around more. Too bad you don't share my passion for my instrument and it's legacy. Oh, and BTW, I can raise plenty of eyebrows with my playing and singing, not just because I have a nice old guitar.



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3/12/2003 2:32 PM

Ron McFillin (11) wrote:

I bought my LP(Artist-special edition) new in 81,
and have never found a guitar that matches it's tone or playability. After playing gigs, the finish has some blemishes, but I don't care I love the guitar. I guess any guitar you play for twenty years will become a part of you, but my Les Paul will always have my vote.

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4/23/2001 8:08 PM

Mitch Blair (88) wrote:

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4/23/2001 8:09 PM

Francis Ferreol (15) wrote:

I presently own a Les Paul Studio Gem and a SG Special. Probably because of the way they are constructed, they have sonic differences. But this difference is what makes them appealing to a wide range of people.
As for the price, I agree that the LP's are getting to be quite expensive. As an alternative, I also bought a Heritage LP H-150 which is a little more expensive than an Ephiphone but to me has the appeal and the sound of the Gibson LP's I've tried in the past. Also its lighter on the back and just as beautifully made. Except for the strange looking pickguard that it has. The newer models have the traditional looking LP pick guard.

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4/29/2001 9:43 PM

Alberto Perez (216) wrote:

First of all, the Sg and the LP are two totally different guitars made for two toatally different playing styles. Mike, if you are gonna use it to play heavier, crunchier stuff or mostly rhythm then the Sg is your best bet, it is also much lighter, and the neck is MUCH faster. The LP is basically a lead guitar all the way, with a good distortion pedal you can get it to sound just as mean and ferocious as the Sg but why? The LP can wail, that's why I bought an LP over an SG a few months ago. The LP and SG are two great guitars, in fact, in my opinion, the best guitars available, Gibson or Epi. I bought an SG Gothic (GIBSON) about a year ago, I used it constantly in all my gigs, never touched my other various guitars, not even my backup Ibanez (It sounded like crap compared to the SG goth), but recently, I wanted to get myself a Gibson because I have written some songs with substantially more soloing and melodie that before, so I (being short on cash) went over to MARS music and did the obvious, bought the best sounding Epi LP in the store. Now, those who say Epi's are garbage are completely wrong. This guitar is so nice in every way that I often have a hard time choosing which guitar to take on the stage, usually the Sg, but just because of looks and weight, but sometimes, when we have a shorter set, I use the Lp cause it blows everyone away (The sound) Mine is made of Mahogany with a Maple Top (trust me, it is) No Epi's are made of plywood (unless it's a fraud), none at all, not even the specials so all you epi critics out there should study up a little more. All the Epi's that I tried sounded beautiful, and not much different than the Gibsons. I respect Gibson, but your basically buying a name. Even Jimmi Page played Epi's ON STAGE. The only flaw that I found with my Epi was that the pickguad was not perfectly sturdy like the Gibson pickguards because the Gibson pickguards add an extra screw on the lower left wereas the Epi pickguards ommit that screw. This could be a good thing or a bad thing. The extra screw makes the Gibs more sturdy, BUT drilling another hole into the fine finish of an LP just to secure the pickguard will crack the finish, as well as create just another obstruction for the vibrations to travel through. In other words, that extra little screw can cause the guitar to resonate less than it's full potential, thus decreasing it's sutain and tonal range, the less screws the better, therefore try to find the "pickguardless" LP's, these tiny screws may only slightly alter the sound of the guitar, but if one of these screws happened to get loose during a show, it would almost stop the guitar from resonating all together, almost like taping a cymbal back together after it has been cracked.
The guitar could aslo make this ratling noise, This screw coming loose can actually happen because of too much playing and vibrating shaking the thing loose. The Lp is a high maintenance guitar, it requires lots of TLC.

Bottom Line:

Epi's are fine

LP's for lead

SG for rhythm

"pickguard-less" is better"


. . . but that's just my opinion . . .

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Re: Les Paul vs SG

3/15/2003 10:50 AM

Chris Simmons (518) wrote:

Wow! I just read every one of these post and im about to start drooling! I want a gigson so bad but i hear so much good stuff about the epis! I will have to go to the music store and try it out before i can make aneducated desicion!

-chris-

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