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Something I been throwing around and put togeather.


http://www.box.com/s/qnoim4x5cxkc8aovx62n
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Re: new recording

1/8/2012 7:05 PM

Adrian Dupree (4969) wrote:

I'm not a good improviser so don't take me too
seriously (lol).

Try including a chord progression in there and
practicing it that way. Otherwise I feel like you're
playing random notes on the blues scale.

If you're just totally experimenting, then just
ignore my comments. lol



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1/14/2012 6:14 AM

I-air Color (626) wrote:

Hi Adrian
Thanks for listening. You mentioned "chord progession", and I agree with you. While I post my clips, I guess in a way I'm just asking for help. I do know a few chord progressions and I actually try to include them in my clips to break up the ... As I try to get more into a sensible musical direction, I feel I do stumble, but this is where you guys pick me up and I really appreciate it. Our good friends Warren Hunt here knows how really hard it is for me to play music on the guitar and because of him and his words of kindness and also Randy Hano I continue to grow in my own limited direction as a guitar player. Again always thanks for your kind words.

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1/8/2012 9:23 PM

Bumblebee Slim (111) wrote:

So, when you listen back to that recording, what do you feel are the
strengths and weaknesses in the recording and the playing? What
are you proud of? What do you wish you could improve? Maybe
some of the folks here can add some constructive criticism if you're
down with that.



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1/9/2012 1:27 AM

Warren Hunt (5730) wrote:

Bumblebee Slim,

Might you provide us with a composition of your own please?

Air Cooler has come a very long way in 12 months, mostly learning via free Internet lessons and by himself. From where he was when he first started posting he has come and long way and has a lot to be proud of. If its bad we tell him and he takes that away and works with it. If its good he tries to progress it further. Again on his own.

So when can we expect your composition then?





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1/9/2012 8:39 AM

Danny Danzi (2052) wrote:

I don't know Warren (I mean no disrespect, honest) I felt Slim asked some valid questions regardless of how long or short AC has been playing.

I think we do AC an injustice if we sugar coat. I mean without being harsh, what do YOU hear when you listen to this? I hear stuff that if the guy was my friend, that I'd tell him about, ya know? Rather than maybe bashing on someone that pretty much asked valid questions and asking them to provide examples of their playing, wouldn't the better move be to explain to Air Cooler that he really needs help in a few areas, bro? That's just me...but I didn't see anything harsh in Slim's post to where he would need to justify his playing. What I'll say here may make you ask me for some of my work..which if it comes to that, sure I have a few things I can share. :)

For example, the timing on this needs so much work, I find it a bit strange that no one commented on the obvious. We hear that AC has learned a pent scale. I would have much prefered to hear the scale in time with the drum machine instead of the free-form, out of time jam session I heard.

So if you're reading this AC, I come in peace brother...but I tell it like it is without being harsh. Slow down and get what you know cleaner and more precise. Kill the delay and focus on proper execution of your notes. Basically what you did here was practice a few scales WHILE a drum machine played. You didn't play TO the drum machine, understand?

Timing is one of the most important things to consider when you are a musician and the earlier you grasp this and put it in motion, the better off you'll be. You can be the best riff master in the world and totally fall on your face if your timing is off.

Try slowing down those blues scales you're playing and literally play them in time with the drum machine beat. You're very sporatic when you play and if you're not careful with some of this, bad habits can come into your playing that will be really hard to break. If you can't keep up with the drum machine, slow the tempo down on the drum machine. You're better off playing the scales at 50 beats per minute perfectly than at 120 beats per minute sloppy, know what I mean?

That said, what you did here isn't super bad or anything. As a matter of fact, if we put a Led Zep backing to it in the right key, it would sound a lot like Jimmy Page...which in a sense, is a compliment. However, even when Page was stoned and at times sloppy, he always pretty much played in time. There are times where you can do some off timing things and use tension points etc, but at this point in your playing, I'd concentrate on accuracy and cleanliness while keeping the best time you can.

Phrasing, forms, achieving an identity etc will all come in time. But you have to be on the right course to get to those things. Remember to also spend as much time with chords and voicings because they will actually help you to play better lead guitar in the long run. Try to learn a chord or two per week and then really look into what notes make up that chord. The colors of what makes a chord sound like a chord will inspired you grately.

Remember, though most of us love to play lead and rip it up, if you run before you can walk sometimes it can take longer to get where you need to be. You're better than I was in my first year of playing, but you still need to work on timing and get things a bit more formulated and focused.

Free style jamming like you did here is a good thing. But spend as much time practicing properly in different areas as well and use the jam part to "max out" so to speak after you've done the real work. The key to being fast and clean (if you so desire) is to be slow, productive and accurate first as well as maintaining your timing.

Also, quite a few of us rockers love effects. Do yourself a favor though and try to keep a part of your practice session to a minimum of effects. The reason being, they often mask our errors. A delay doubles the sounds and of course can jumble our notes. If you lose focus and use effects while you are trying to hone your skills, it's too easy to have your inconsistencies masked by these effects. So make sure you spend some time with a nice clean sound without anything enhancing it.

Then once you practice for a bit and really hear what you're doing and can hone in on your issues, THEN have a little fun and put some effects on and just enjoy it. But you have to have a mixture here as to not deter your progress yet you need to challenge yourself.

When I teach my students, I have found that if I give them something challenging, something fun and then do a free form jam, that it keeps their moral high. If I just constantly give them hard stuff or make it too much like "work", this will turn them right off. So remember to challenge yourself, but also keep the fun factor in too. Make it a point to learn one new thing per day. No matter how stupid or simple it may be, it becomes another tool in your tool box that someday....may become a valuable weapon.

Best of luck to you!

-Danny





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1/9/2012 10:41 AM

Chris Bond II (2841) wrote:

Nicely put. It was a well thought out, lucid and logical response.

And to you, I also come in peace.





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1/9/2012 1:03 PM

Danny Danzi (2052) wrote:

Man, sorry for calling you Air Cooler...sheesh...I need to read better. Anyway, I just put this together for you real quick. Give it a listen when you get a minute. It's just an mp3...but let me explain it to you.

Ok, you know how I mentioned in my last post that it would be cool if you played your blues scales in time with a drum machine? Well, I gave you a backing track here where I start out on the first time through just playing a basic pent/blues scale for you in the key of C.

This goes on from the start until 0:48. Notice how it's in time with the backer and is also forming a little melody based on the scale without any bells, whistles or major technique involved? This is what I meant in my last post.

Now from 0:48 until 1:33, I kick in my metal tone with a little delay and rip a little for you...but I still keep in the blues scale vibe and go a little crazier as it goes on just to show you how advanced you can get with it.

From 1:34 on out, I gave you an empty backing track so you can jam along with it and have some fun yourself. Hope this helps...best of luck.

Here's the link: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4909348/DannyD_Jam_In_C.mp3

-Danny





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1/9/2012 11:07 PM

Adrian Dupree (4969) wrote:




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1/9/2012 3:07 AM

Chris Bond II (2841) wrote:

Your mechanics are improving. What you want to work on next is
your sense of form. Form has kind of developed over the years and
is like a framework to your creation. Although music has no
distinctive rules on form, the rule of thumb is anywhere from 8 to
32 bars. Anything shorter and the listener will have problems
hearing a complete cadence, anything longer and you can lose the
listener.





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1/13/2012 11:22 PM

Carl Phillips (11977) wrote:

Really? Really?

You got nerve to say that someone is improving and call yourself a teacher? A teacher? You have nerve to tell this kid about cadence and step on Danzi's toes like you're really something?

I throw the BS flag. Go get another drink and dream that your the player and teacher that you think you are.

You ain't.

I have, "The Harvard Concise Dictionary of Music and Musicians" and "Music Theory" by George Thaddeus Jones. Remember those? Do you?

I'm sure you don't. But that doesn't really matter anyway.

In the last video you put up, your form was worse than Air Color's, and your timing was complete crap.

Think before you speak or history may bust your axx.





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1/13/2012 11:50 PM

Adrian Dupree (4969) wrote:

Form? What is that anyway?

Does this have form?!?!?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=AslWe23qSfY&feature=related







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1/14/2012 9:22 AM

Chris Bond II (2841) wrote:

OMG, someone get me a damn tylenol







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1/14/2012 3:43 PM

Adrian Dupree (4969) wrote:

I know... people get head aches from head banging
too much lol







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1/15/2012 2:59 AM

Chris Bond II (2841) wrote:

Its all that sweeping, which I consider an intermediate
application at best. When used tastefully, take Dannys solo for
instance, he sweeps the outro which is cool. It shows his
technical prowess but also fits nicely with the framework of the
solo.

My solo on the other hand I use them in short bursts throughout
but never longer than a bar or two. Two different kinds of
players. Him from a neoclassical background and me calling on
my jazz sensibility.

But a solo like that one, to me sounds like a kid with a new toy,
like hes just discovered he can sweep and thats all he wants to
do. To me that shows immaturity in a player, I dont care if hes
17 or 45. I would make a bet if you bought the whole album,
every solo would pretty much be the same.

Just my two cents







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1/15/2012 10:07 AM

Adrian Dupree (4969) wrote:

I didn't even realize the solo was that technical
lol. Lots of metal players tend to do that (because
it's usually expected of them). oh well...

As for jazz, I feel like it's too off key for me. I
just don't get it. When I hear a jazz solo it sounds
a little random at times.

But I'm not a jazz player so I'm not accustomed to
it.









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1/15/2012 1:36 PM

Chris Bond II (2841) wrote:

Well, its kind of an acquired taste. I used to play nothing but
country,. But the more I listened and sponged it up, the more I
started hearing then it all comes together. In jazz circles its
known as Listening ability IOW, being able to follow more complex
melodies and harmonies. But even if you never dig it, then thats
cool too.









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1/17/2012 10:30 AM

Danny Danzi (2052) wrote:

Adrian, you share my pain with the off key stuff. The reason for that is...we have diatonic ears. LOL!! I love a little jazz lick that may have that out of the box tension stuff going on. But there are some guys that are so out, it just doesn't sound musical to me. I know there is a theory behind it...I know it's technical and is extremely hard to master...but unfortunately, THAT form of jazz is like scotch...you either acquire a taste for it...or you don't.

I dig Holdsworth and Gambale...though some consider them more fusion than jazz. But that sort of stuff even loses me at times. I have tried for years to accept it....but unfortunately, the closest I can come to acceptance is to still consider it "out of key" yet totally respect and appreciate those that CAN do it.

That said (don't beat me up Chris...but I tried! LOL) The closest I have ever come to a jazz/fusion type solo would be this:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4909348/FoolSolo.mp3

I tried for a few little tension points, some chromatics, a little bit of a blues flavor, and of course those legato arps...I just love those...gotta stop over-using them though. LOL!!! But they sound soo cool! :)

-Danny









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1/18/2012 12:07 AM

Adrian Dupree (4969) wrote:

Nice job there! This to me is a lot more melodic and
nothing like Allan Holdsworth. In other words, I can
listen to it with glee.











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1/18/2012 12:13 AM

Adrian Dupree (4969) wrote:

Okay maybe not "nothing like Alan Holdsworth." But
it seems more on key for sure.









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1/21/2012 12:34 AM

Chris Pinto (24466) wrote:

Hey Danny,

I agree....I LOVE Gambale & Holdsworth, and quite a few other jazz/fusion artists, and really wish I could do 1/4 of the stuff they can do...BUT, many times, I get completely lost in what they're doing. (Jazz in general) I KNOW what they're doing is completely insane, off the hook, and extremely hard to master, but, my ears just don't get it, most the time. hehe

I'd say Gambale is more "melodic" to my ears than Holdsworth, even though, they're both fretboard Gods!

Like you said "us rock & metal dudes have diatonic ears" LOL

When these guys do a solo, for the first couple of bars it sounds great, then it "sounds" as if they go SO FAR OUT of the musical key, even though I know they don't, but, it sounds that way. You're like "What the hell is he doing? That scale doesn't even belong there...he's not even playing in key...does he even KNOW what he's playing?...Wait a minute...maybe he is in key?...NO! He can't be!....OK, maybe he is?....um...I dunno...OK.... no wait...yeah...OK, AHHH FORGET IT!"

To me, understanding Jazz is like trying to understand Molecular Biophysics, Astrophysics & Quantum Mechanics! LOL

Yeah....Ol' Chris was never meant to play jazz! LOL









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1/21/2012 6:05 AM

Chris Bond II (2841) wrote:

I completely respect where you guys are coming from. I listen
tom a lot of rock and metal and think wtf? But then I hear I great
metal solo and its so melodic you think wow, how did he figure
that out with limited notes lol. Thats why in a lot of Jazz and
rock. there is more of a paradox than people think.

Dony believe me? Listen to Billies Bounce. The first song Charlie
parker played as a band leader; I used to teach it to ten year
olds.

Listen to Too late for love by def L, so simple, yet if a person
could come up with riffs like that, wed be millionaires too. Cept
their main riff player died, and guess what, the havent really
charted since.

Solos are songs within songs, but even with a great lead guitarist
like Vivian Campbell (sp) hay havent really done s---.

THe same with Dizzy Gillespie, he made his fame playing with
guys like Parker and Max Roach, and is considered one of the
greatest horn players of al time. The difference is Parker and
Gillespie played and recorded original tunes where heads were
simple and then they would just blow.

So like danny said, when you play always think melody first, flash
second, its a great rule for us all to live by

Ps, give jazz a chance, start out with swing bands like Benny
Goodman, he had this little fella of a guitar player named charlie
Christian, who we all know changed the face of guitar as we
know it.











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1/21/2012 6:07 AM

Chris Bond II (2841) wrote:

I said dizzy Gillespie, but I meant Mies Davis (some kind of blue)













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1/23/2012 12:37 PM

Randy Hano (12149) wrote:

Davis' Kind of Blue is a standard for anyone wanting to enter the jazz world. It is more modal driven - So What and Freddie The Freeloader - yet more harmonically complex as Blue in Green where the song structure is all uncommon.













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1/28/2012 2:51 PM

Chris Bond II (2841) wrote:

You know, theres a funny story. IN the original Savoy recordings
circa about 45 I think, the original piano player didnt show
so dizzy G played all of the piano. Not a great soloist, but a
pretty damn good rhythm player, on every song but KOKO. If
you listen to all the other songs on that album, dizzys playing
was light years ahead of davis (who was only 19 at the time and
could not handle the furious tempo and jagged theme) But if you
listen to Daviss playing years later as he matured, you can hear
not only the Gillespie influence, but a technical prowess that has
rarely been matched on the trumpet today

Another thing is, these dudes all played Bb horns for the most
part, no C horns for theses cat, or very rarely and usually if that
was the horn there if they showed up for a recording without
their own ( a favorite trick of Parker on his sax. Some recording
were even done on plastic simple beginner models because
thats all they could find that late in the day lol.













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1/28/2012 8:43 PM

Randy Hano (12149) wrote:

Cool stuff. I knew that Davis was youngster and a little about Dizzy. Never knew about C horns. Always believe that horns come in Bb for trumpets and either Bb or Eb for Sax's.













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1/30/2012 6:03 AM

Chris Bond II (2841) wrote:

Yeah, the ol C horn, some refer to them as orchestra horns.

Thing is guys like Charlie parker could play the chromatic (being a
childhood horn player no small feat I assure you) scale on a Bb horn
from any point, which made a C horn pretty useless.













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1/30/2012 10:12 AM

Randy Hano (12149) wrote:

Nice! I "C" horn is one of those things that escaped my mind from school eons ago. Not in practice from my world so one forgets. Cool trivia by the way.











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1/28/2012 11:27 AM

Chris Pinto (24466) wrote:

Hey Chris,

Funny, because I actually dig a good amount of Jazz. I own a lot of it at home, and listen often! I actually grew up on jazz! Both of my Grandfathers were jazz musicians. One even played with the Tommy Dorsey band every now & again. So, it was ALWAYS being played in the house as I was growing up, as well as tons of other music genre's.

Most of the Big Band & Gillespie (et al) my ears can understand...hehe...but, many other horn players I DON'T understand.

It's basically guys like Holdsworth (WHO I LOVE!!!) where these solos go way out in deep space that I just don't get...don't grasp the notes?????

Again, it's just the "diatonic" guitar player in me that doesn't understand it. hehe









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1/23/2012 10:18 AM

Danny Danzi (2052) wrote:

Hahaha Chris, you and me always kinda share similar feelings. That said...when that jazz/fusion stuff is done right, man, it makes me so jealous I don't even want to play lead anymore. Seriously!

For example, check this tune out bro. I found a site using a link from WholeNote years ago called Guitarwar. I'm still a member to this day...but we had this guy named Carlos that came to the site from somewhere in South America. What a tune he posted...simply mind-blowing. I think even the other Chris will approve of this.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4909348/GuitarTribemp3.mp3

That's one tune that makes me green with envy every time I hear it. This sort of fusion or whatever it is....is the stuff I love the most. Man...what an expressive player. There's like every lick and trick you can think of in that tune, ya know? Sorry about the quality of it...we had file size limitations on GW at that time. Anyway....been really enjoying this discussion. :)

-Danny









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1/28/2012 8:31 PM

Chris Pinto (24466) wrote:

Danny.....

HOLY CRAP! THAT WAS INSANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

......damn.......

OK, well.....ummmm......I'm gonna go put my guitar down now....







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1/15/2012 10:58 AM

Adrian Dupree (4969) wrote:

Honestly if you think that's bad, check this guy
out:



Regardless, being able to play like him would be
awesome (if you ask me).







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1/17/2012 10:19 AM

Danny Danzi (2052) wrote:

LOL! I feel the exact same way...and I'll take a few of those Tylenol....wait....make it Excederin Ultra. LOL!

Yeah way too many guys do the rake sweep thing...which to me, is sometimes over-done and like a kid with a new toy just like you said. You'll notice in the ones I did...they sound nearly legato without the rake thing and are major 7th/minor 7th forms which most metal guys don't ever use. I like the sound of them because they don't get used often. But, it's all about taste and phrasing when doing a solo...at least that's how I've always felt and what I always try to do. :)

-Danny







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1/17/2012 7:27 PM

Adrian Dupree (4969) wrote:

"A shredder is a guitarist who uses their technical
exercises as solos."

Kinda true!






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1/14/2012 4:47 AM

Chris Bond II (2841) wrote:

Wow that was harsh, but yeah, youre right the time I usually find to
put vids around here is after Ive had a few.

I dont really know where the rest of that came from, but Im not
going to bite, because Ive heard you play and I m considering the
source. So go practice a little more and stfu.






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1/14/2012 8:56 AM

Chris Bond II (2841) wrote:

Here then, I just put this up, next lets see yours.








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1/18/2012 3:43 PM

Adriano Parmiggianno (6926) wrote:

I'm gonna break my "New Years Resolution", I'm not gonna be Mr. Nice Guy anymore-----have you ever considered smiling while you're playing?







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1/18/2012 3:57 PM

Chris Bond II (2841) wrote:

Oh s--- no.







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1/19/2012 12:57 PM

Adriano Parmiggianno (6926) wrote:

GE Smith of Saturday Night Live was a master of communicating his pleasure through his facial expressions. Try it, you may like it!!!









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1/20/2012 2:37 PM

Chris Bond II (2841) wrote:

I remember that dude. Ugly as hell but man, that dude could play







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1/19/2012 6:24 PM

Adrian Dupree (4969) wrote:

Okay then try doing this instead :








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1/20/2012 3:33 PM

Chris Bond II (2841) wrote:

Yeah, like one of the posters said,...the dropped D sounds good,
how about trying the the the five lol.





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5/25/2013 1:10 PM

Inactive Member wrote:

Chris has no friends. He's a sad case in need of professional help.



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1/14/2012 6:39 AM

I-air Color (626) wrote:

Hey bs, sorry for not responding sooner. My strengths are that I know I try my best and give it my best when I post my clips. My weakness, well, I just want to say I've found a comfort zone in playing the guitar that helps me make it through the day. I feel recently my greatest challenge is to have a sense of timing. For that part, I've come very far from when I couldn't even keep in pace with the soldiers in my unit that the drill sargent put me in the back of the unit. So I would have to say, my natural sense of timing is like sunshine to me these days. I kind of would like to improve on what potential I have as a guitar player playing simple melodies. My musical thoughts are within me, but I just need to put them into musical sense. Maybe someone can help, maybe not. But I won't give up.



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1/14/2012 6:42 AM

I-air Color (626) wrote:

Hey bs, sorry for not responding sooner. My strengths are that I know I try my best and give it my best when I post my clips. My weakness, well, I just want to say I've found a comfort zone in playing the guitar that helps me make it through the day. I feel recently my greatest challenge is to have a sense of timing. For that part, I've come very far from when I couldn't even keep in pace with the soldiers in my unit that the drill sargent put me in the back of the unit. So I would have to say, my natural sense of timing is like sunshine to me these days. I kind of would like to improve on what potential I have as a guitar player playing simple melodies. My musical thoughts are within me, but I just need to put them into musical sense. Maybe someone can help, maybe not. But I won't give up.


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