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Re: Brittle Marshall
10/6/2010 10:40 AM
Danny Danzi (2052) wrote:
I'll definitely shed some light on this for you that I think will help you greatly. First off, you mention Greenbacks. What wattage Greenbacks are they? I use 25 watt per speaker Greenies (100 watt cabs) and they sound fantastic. Very warm, nothing brittle. All the Celestions I've tried from 30 watts on up, all sound piercing to me and I hate them.
Now, the first thing I'd suggest is this. Where is your cab at when you eq'd your guitar tone? If it is on the floor blowing sound at your knees, there is no way you have a good sound. It must be at ear level so you can literally hear what you're getting. Those guys that throw a 4x12 cab on the floor and let it rip usually sound terrible. So make sure you eq it at ear level and see if that makes a difference.
If you are eqing at ear level and it still sounds harsh, how far do you have to move away from the cab before it starts to sound harsh and piercing? Here's the problem Johan...
Greenbacks are VERY focused speakers. Meaning, they are made for being mic'd at close range. When you get out of the 4-6ft range on a Greenie, they get a bit harsh. That's just the way they are. It's a lack of "projection" so to speak. Here's the thing...one offsets the other. Do you want a good tone from the cab that sounds bad when mic'd (as most of these do) or do you want a good sound at close range that has a mic on it anyway that will be sent out to the mains so a soundman can control it?
I get a happy medium over here. I do not believe in extreme stage volume because the louder you go, the more the soundman pulls you out of the mix. When you go super loud, all that raw, uncompressed and eq'd stage volume sewage (as I call it) is sent out to your audience. It just sounds bad and should be avoided or eliminated at all costs.
I have a nice healthy tone that is loud enough for me to hear it. I then have the soundman send a little of my signal into my vocal monitor so I can hear myself wherever I go on stage. This stops me from being pulled from the mix and I give him full control. Sure, there is a little stage volume because we're a rock band, but it's not to the point where I'm killing people. You won't even hear my cab unless you walk right up to the stage and stand in front of it.
But yeah, unfortunately, the Greenback cabs are all very focused and made for being mic'd. Your best bet is to raise the cab at ear volume, and eq it from about 4-6 ft away. Then, move in as close as you can and see if you still like the sound you hear as THAT is the sound that will be captured by the mic. If you want, you can try to eq from 6ft and beyond and try a happy medium. But, you'll notice that when you get really close to the cab where a mic would be, you'll end up too boomy and won't have enough cut or presence.
Try it from 4-6 ft away first. You should get really good results that way just using the eq on the amp. If by chance you are still unhappy, a 7 band eq or a parametric would be your best bet. There is no need for a 15 band or 31 band eq in a guitar tone unless you are really having issues with specific frequencies that need to be dialed out or controlled. A parametric usually handles this fine and allows you to fine tune the frequencies. A 7 band is pretty much all you need because most times, it handles the most important frequencies in a guitar.
A note on eqing. Try to cut whenever possible. Don't be a booster. If you have too much low end, don't turn up your treble...lower your bass. If you have a bit too much mid mud, don't raise the highs, drop the mids or the lows. If you are too trebly and piercing, don't raise the lows or mids, drop the treble.
For low end, if you can feel the hair on your arms move when you chug chords, you are using way too much bass. You should NEVER feel the bass in a guitar tone...you just need to hear it a bit. When you feel it, that means you are walking into bass guitar territory. A soundman or audio engineer is going to take that 80Hz and below and high pass those puppies right out.
Best of luck and I hope some of this helps. :)