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Epiphones compared to full-on gibsons.

I've looked at a lot of concert footage and noticed that although Epiphone is a cheaper, less quality guitar, more professionals tend to use Epi's. now i don't have any problem with that but if there pro's they could probably afford a regular gibson. what advantage do they get buying epi's?
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Re: Epiphones compared to full-on gibsons.

6/9/2008 11:17 AM

Mark Collins (3026) wrote:

I keep reading all of these posts about Gibson VS. Epi, etc. I own both, a Gibson Les Paul Custom & an Epiphone les Paul Custom. Let me begin by saying the Gibson is far superior to the Epi, end of story. Now, with that being said, look at the cost! The Gibson is far far more expensive! Whichever one decides to play depends on the situation. I "retired" my Gibson because I fear something happening to it: getting stolen, knocked over, etc. It would be horrible because I could not replace it! So, I bought the Epi, to actually play without the fear of something happening to a vintage guitar. Yes, it sounds strange, I have a guitar I am afraid to play! Well, first of all I have played my Gibson for many years, put lots of miles on it. It has held up well, & that is a testament as to why so many pros use them: they hold up night after night! I have noticed Gibson is really pushing the Epiphone line lately, in our economy most people can not afford a Gibson. They are also grooming the next generation of Gibson players. So,here is a nice alternative. Would I buy another Gibson if something happened to mine? Probably not, at least not in the stage of life I am in now, it would be pointless. My Epi will do all I ned it to do. After I get my kids raised, etc.? Sure. Would I replace my Epihone if something happened? Yes, definitely. I would use my Gibson in recording, or in some type of closely monitored environment. If I was traveling in a pro band, playing night after night, I would use a Gibson, but definitely not a vintage one. Rather, I would buy a new one to use. Also, I would use Epihphone as my back up. I hope every guitar player can some day have a nice Gibson guitar, they are incredible! It is quite a feeling!A Gibson is worth every penny you pay for it; but only if you have the means to afford it. Otherwise, it is a huge waste of money, stick to your budget & buy what you can afford: play the hand you're dealt.



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6/9/2008 1:11 PM

Alan Roberts (10065) wrote:

" in our economy most people can not afford a Gibson"
I've got a feeling that the cost of a used Gibson is gonna' get real
affordable if the economy continues in it's current direction. The
market is full of people trying to unload high priced guitars at huge
discounts right now. If anyone has some money to burn, now is the
time to buy.
Peace,
Alan





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Re: Epiphones compared to full-on gibsons.

6/9/2008 1:35 PM

Mark Collins (3026) wrote:

"If anyone has some money to burn, now is the
time to buy."

With all respect that is my point: NOBODY seems to have $ to burn now.





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6/9/2008 2:37 PM

Paul Gelinas (4377) wrote:

"If anyone has some money to burn, now is the
time to buy."

True, it's a great time to buy used guitars - IF you really want the guitar. There are lots of great deals out there.

However, if the object is to make a profit, invest in something other than guitars. They are - at best - a sketchy investment.





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6/9/2008 3:51 PM

Randy Hano (12149) wrote:

I should have bought gold 10 years ago. We have revistied that commodity increase at over $1000 an ounce. The last time gold was up this high was in the early 80's. Yikes....

Can someone say - Gold Top Les Paul...LOL....







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6/9/2008 4:21 PM

Alan Roberts (10065) wrote:

Yep, 10 years ago $300 would have bought an ounce of gold.
But then again, $300 in 1959 would have bought a new Les Paul...
Peace,
Alan







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6/11/2008 1:02 PM

Adam Thomson (806) wrote:

Forget 10 years ago, friend. If you had bought gold just two years ago you would have doubled your money today.






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6/9/2008 3:56 PM

Alan Roberts (10065) wrote:

I think there are lots of guitars for sale right now that are a good
value as well as a good investment. I believe that no matter what
the economy does, there are guitars that will at least hold their
value and more likely increase in value, but buying from that
viewpoint alone is not something I encourage everyone to do.
Unless you have followed the market and buying trends for
some time, this is not a time to jump in hoping to learn. A great
deal on a new $300 Import is not gonna' yield a profit in a few
years, but a great deal on a Custom Shop Les Paul might prove
to have been more of a bargain than it seemed at the time.
Peace,
Alan





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6/10/2008 12:33 PM

Randy Hano (12149) wrote:

Maybe we will need to look back into the pawn shops as people dismiss there valued instrument. It is too bad that the pawn shops actually know the value of the instrument today...





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6/10/2008 3:16 PM

Mark Collins (3026) wrote:

Ha! I agree, wouldn't it be great to walk into a pawn shop & get a Gibson for little to nothing!







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6/10/2008 4:27 PM

Alan Roberts (10065) wrote:

Well known, big name brands are the least likely to be had at a
bargain. For instance, pawn shops now think that anything made
by Fender must be worth a fortune. They hardly differentiate in
prices between models made in the US and ones made in Japan,
China, Mexico and Korea.
But, you may end up finding a boutique amp or stomp box on
the cheap, because they haven't been able to identify it. The
odds are probably about as good as buying a metal detecter and
finding gold, but it happens occasionally.
Peace,
Alan







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6/11/2008 7:24 AM

Mark Collins (3026) wrote:

Fender "Starcasters" sell for about $125 in stores locally. A guy around here went to a music store, bought 5 of them for $500 (bulk price), took them to a local flea market & is selling them for $400 each! They are not vanishing quickly, but he has sold 3 of them thus far.









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6/11/2008 1:07 PM

Adam Thomson (806) wrote:

Guitars are great investments but only the right ones. There is no point in buying cheapies hoping to make a quick buck but if you have the money and can afford to buy some recently vintage fenders - the magnificent and early Fullerton models 82-84 come to mind - you are going to make serious money if you hold on to them for 20 years. Just look at what 1950s and 60s Strats are making on ebay today.











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6/12/2008 7:13 PM

Randy Hano (12149) wrote:

Spinal Tap 2050..."that's a 1982 American Made Strat"...









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6/12/2008 7:07 PM

Randy Hano (12149) wrote:

A sucker born every minute.







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6/17/2008 1:50 PM

Mark Collins (3026) wrote:

I have noticed most music stores locally as well as pawn shops will immediately look on the internet, especially e-bay, when someone brings in something to trade or sell. This gives them an actual value for the piece & what it is selling for.





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6/10/2008 4:16 PM

Alan Roberts (10065) wrote:

Ya never know. True, most pawn shops tend to overvalue and
overprice things these days. With the internet and availability of
"blue books" you're not likely to get a deal. But, just recently I had a
friend get a screamin' deal on a Huss and Dalton acoustic at a
pawn shop. They obviously hadn't been able to find any info about
it and were confused as to where to price it. He ended up getting
the guitar for about 1/4 of what it was worth. Yeah, that's a once
in a lifetime kind of deal, but it still happens.
Peace,
Alan



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Re: Epiphones compared to full-on gibsons.

6/15/2008 7:58 PM

Michael Pankonien (948) wrote:

I play my 2006 Gibson LP Standard, 60's neck just about every week with my band. I also have a 2002 Fender American Series Strat. That being said, I can well understand you wanting to "protect" your LP Custom by actually using an Epi for your stage work. Like you, Mark, I am at the stage of my life, and especially with the economy as it is right now, that I cannot replace the Gibson, should anything happen to it, end of story. However, I just suck it up and play the thing and hope for the best as I absoulutely love it's sound and how it plays.



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6/17/2008 1:48 PM

Mark Collins (3026) wrote:

But what about when your Gibson is 30 years old like mine? I played my Gibson for years, put lots of miles on it. However, as it increases in age & value I have learned to be much more cautious. If I had a Gibson just a few years old then yes, I would play it out (note my original post where I said I would buy a new Gibson to play with a touring band), but not a vintage instrument.



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6/29/2008 2:16 PM

Michael Pankonien (948) wrote:

Hey Mark!

I will be 81 years old then and will use a new and less valuable guitar to jam with and keep the 30 year old Gibson under lock and key for obvious reasons LOL!





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6/30/2008 8:01 AM

Mark Collins (3026) wrote:

Pass it on to your grand kids as an heirloom.



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7/1/2008 6:27 AM

Chris Russell (3044) wrote:

hey Mark and Michael

my LP studio isn't that old yet. it's 14 as is my daughter. the guitar is the older of the two.. by 4 days. and yes, I had a very difficult time explaining that to my wife when she was 'out to here'. lol!

a studio might not ever be 'collectable' but it is a 1994, Gibson started in 1894. and I have to play it, as its my only one. what I notice though, is the piece of wood is becoming more resonant. I just put it in for a fret dressing and I miss it terribly.

in a way its collectable to me. three times now its come through the smoke and flames with me. 2 of the 3 times, I lost everything I owned. just the kid, the guitar, and the shirts on our backs. when you only have one possession, it becomes collectable.

I don't really care what name is on the headstock. I love the tonality and playablity of my guitar. I think I made a good choice. I've played some Epi's that were built well, but the pups were a much lower output than mine. like the epi would make a better jazz sound I think.

Chris3

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