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guitar string guage re-order?

hey everyone,

my wondering mind is certainly ahead of my skills and music theory, but I can't stop it!

here is short version. what would be the pro's and con's of changing the order of the strings guages?

I don't mean there alternate tunning but the size of wires.

a normal gage wire set would be something like:
13-17-26-35-45-56.

but string it something like this an example with no regards to roots,3rd,5th of chords, etc.:

13-17-35-26-45-56.

if it's possible, it would change the shapes of chords. maybe it would have a greater effect on alternate tunning like for slide usage.

maybe it just an insane idea.

so what do you say?

TIA,
Joe P.



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Re: guitar string guage re-order?

11/15/2007 4:53 PM

Greg Johnson (2721) wrote:

So, are you saying you'd keep each string tuned the same, just in different order? ie E-A-G-D-B-E?



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Re: guitar string guage re-order?

11/15/2007 5:02 PM

Joseph Piotrowski (248) wrote:

maybe as the first step. I like bottle neck slide guitar and maybe this could give an open tunning a little different sound.

I am nowhere close to understanding cord construction and how it would sound. since many artists I admire have there own unique way of playing and setting up the guitar, My mind wonders off the beaten path.


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Re: guitar string guage re-order?

11/15/2007 5:30 PM

Andrew Ells-O'Brien (563) wrote:

Of course you could do that...however....
Be aware that you may cause irreparable damage to your nut. For
example a 46 gauge "e" string will not simply slide into a 10 gauge
nut slot and could crack the nut.
Also, the bridge saddles will need the same attention if they are
properly slotted.
Finally, all that aside, you will need to re-intonate the bridge to be
"in-tune" properly.
Hope this helps.
-Andy



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Re: guitar string guage re-order?

11/15/2007 7:43 PM

Joseph Piotrowski (248) wrote:

yes that does help. to even try something like this would tough. I would need to get a new nut and rework a lot of parts. maybe it will just be a thought for a while.



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Re: guitar string guage re-order?

11/15/2007 10:24 PM

Andrew Ells-O'Brien (563) wrote:

Also, you may want to research something called "Nashville
Tuning" It's kinda fun too!

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Re: guitar string guage re-order?

11/15/2007 8:25 PM

Chris Bond II (2841) wrote:

When a string vibrates, the speed of that vibration produces the sound you hear, known as Mz.

In order to obtain the same letter name and Mz, you would have to tune the 3rd string with more tension, thus speeding vibration.

It would create the same pitch, only under a much higher tension.

This isn't a logical alternative.

I suggest a read called Fretboard Logic. It Explains in relatively comprehensive terms the physical properties of sound as they apply not only to the guitar as a whole, but to unique sound properties that create the patterns and tendencies of the guitar fingerboard.

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Re: guitar string guage re-order?

11/16/2007 6:09 AM

Alan Roberts (10065) wrote:

That's an interesting idea. I think you should try experimenting
with it. Maybe buy a cheap acoustic or electric that you could do
the mods to yourself. As far as choosing gauges of strings for
each particular note - contact D'Addario or one of the other
string companies. They can tell you how much tension it would
take on any gauge of string to get it to a specific pitch. They
could also help you choose individual strings to make up your
own custom gauge set. It's not that uncommon. Just describe
what you have in mind to them, they'd probably dig talking to
you. It's refreshing to hear someone who wants to be creative. I
have no idea what effect it might have on the chord voicings to
rearrange the order of the string gauges, but it does seem like it
might have some potential.
Peace,
Alan



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Re: guitar string guage re-order?

11/16/2007 6:52 AM

Chris Bond II (2841) wrote:

To me, it just doesn't make sense to do it.

The tones would be the same for the most part. Where the most change, or difference if you will; would come in playability.

You would get a lot more mileage from experimenting with tunings or even other instruments with different properties. To mix up the string guage would have to be pretty specialized for a single effect or two, taking away a lot of the versatility the guitar gives us.

Hell, I have enough trouble trying to keep the guitar straight as is.

But then again, you never know, someone with a better mind than us regular Joe's might figure out something worth it's oats. I know a lot have tried.



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Re: guitar string guage re-order?

11/17/2007 10:37 PM

Alan Roberts (10065) wrote:

Yeah, I don't think it'd be very versatile. But I do think the idea of
non-standard open tuning and custom gauge stings might spur
some real creativity in the right hands. I'm willing to offer support
and encourgement to anyone willing to take that path, especially if
it helps to motivate them. It may be a dead end, but till someone
maps it out, we don't know where it might lead.
Peace,
Alan

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Re: guitar string guage re-order?

11/16/2007 9:09 AM

Michael Laurance (4040) wrote:

If you're really wanting to experiment, I've heard of partial capos, where they only capo one or two strings. If not, you could easily cut the string surface on a capo to accomplish that. A couple of well placed capos, and you'd have a whole different world.