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What are the basic Scales for newbie?

I'm a newbie in guitar.May i know what are the basic scales to learn for newbie?There seem to be alot of scales.And is the bass scales and guitar scales the same?
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Re: What are the basic Scales for newbie?

4/17/2007 4:35 PM

Alan Roberts (10065) wrote:

I have my students learn the Chromatic Scale, then the Major Scale,
and then move on to the Pentatonic Major and Pentatonic Minor.
Peace,
Alan

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Re: What are the basic Scales for newbie?

4/17/2007 6:03 PM

Adrian Levi (2907) wrote:

There aren't really as much as there seem. A lot of scales are
just modes of the major or one of the minor scales (ie. keeping
the same notes but starting from different scale degrees).

I'd say start by learning the major scale in all seven positions
and how to play the modes of the major scale from that, and the
pentatonic/blues scale. After that you could also learn the
harmonic and melodic minor scales and their modes as well the
the bebop, whole-tone, and octatonic scales, but the most
important are the two aformentioned ones.

And is the bass scales and guitar scales the same?

Well, there isn't really such thing as a guitar or bass scale. Scales
are the same notes no matter what instrument you play them on.
If you're talking about fingering for the scales then since the
bass strings are the same as the bottom four guitar strings (just
an octave lower) those strings have the same scale fingerings.

Adrian

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Re: What are the basic Scales for newbie?

4/18/2007 12:02 AM

Charles Gacsi (42523) wrote:

Once you learn basic scales shape, using the open position, the next step is to use a shapes that a scale takes. Then the process is to move that one scale fingering all over the neck of the guitar. When doing that, learn the name of the scale. Just starting on a different fret or string will give you a bit to think about. Generally there are 5 shapes for the major scales within a single four fret position.

I will post the first eight notes for each shape so that you can get the idea.
G
C

D
A
F
Then come variations in using each shape. I'll give an example of using only one shape that shifts up the neck.
G
Ab (G#)
A
Now continue working up the neck as far as your hands will allow. Next learn the full shape using the rest of the strings. Learn the names as well. Be an informed guitarist.

Next the pentatonic within that scale form.
G
This is just a tiny sample. You will get a lot ideas from other members who give you input. Take care.

Charlie

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Re: What are the basic Scales for newbie?

4/18/2007 10:09 AM

Jon Riley (9697) wrote:

(1) The major scale, starting with C major - which is all the "natural" notes (white notes of the piano).
I recommend starting with one octave in open position:
C major

This is the notes C-D-E-F-G-A-B-C. It's not only useful for learning note positions, but also the sound of the major scale ("do-re-mi-fa-so-la-ti-do"). I also suggest singing it as you play it. Sing the note names, or "do-re-mi...", or "1-2-3..."
Play it down as well as up, and use the same fingers as fret numbers (index fret 1, middle fret 2, ring fret 3).

(2) Then expand it to the full open position pattern:
C major

Notes (string by string) = E-F-G|A-B-C|D-E-F|G-A|B-C-D|E-F-G.
Again, play in both directions, and use same fingers as fret numbers.

(3) Play the same notes, but start and end on A (in both directions). This is the A natural minor scale:
A minor

Listen to the difference in sound: minor is more moody or "sadder" than major.

You could then try leaving out B and F to produce the A minor pentatonic:
A minor pent
This is a common improvisation scale. It's usually played as a full 6-string pattern higher up the neck, but this will introduce the sound to you.


From there, I suggest learning the G major scale, and how it differs (F becomes F#).

Scales are important as the basis of melodies, keys and chords, and are (therefore) the source of all our music. That's why I advise starting simple like this and understanding the sounds, before venturing into movable box patterns for soloing.

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Re: What are the basic Scales for newbie?

4/18/2007 2:40 PM

Adriano Parmiggianno (6926) wrote:

Here's a little chart I found on one of Jon Riley's threads:

Comparison of various common scales, in half-steps:

HALF-STEPS: | | | | | | | | | | | | |
MAJOR SCALE: 1 . 2 . 3 4 . 5 . 6 . 7 1


C MAJOR PENTATONIC: 1 . 2 . 3 . . 5 . 6 . . 1
= C6/9 Chord

C NATURAL MINOR: 1 . 2 b3 . 4 . 5 b6 . b7 . 1
= Cm13 (C Dorian)

C HARMONIC MINOR: 1 . 2 b3 . 4 . 5 b6 . . 7 1
= Cm/Maj7(9,11,b13)

C MELODIC MINOR: 1 . 2 b3 . 4 . 5 . 6 . 7 1
= Cm/Maj13

C MINOR PENTATONIC: 1 . . b3 . 4 . 5 . . b7 . 1
= Cm7add11 Chord

C BLUES SCALE: 1 . . b3 . 4 b5 5 . . b7 . 1
= C Min Pent with b5




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Re: What are the basic Scales for newbie?

4/19/2007 2:59 AM

Jon Riley (9697) wrote:

C natural minor doesnt make a Cm13 chord. "13" stands for a major interval, which would be an A. (Natural minor is aeolian mode, not dorian mode!) If you want to suggest an extended chord for this scale, it would be Cm11b13 - but such a chord would practically never be used.
(I realise you're turning the scale into a chord arpeggio, rather than suggesting practical chords.)



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Re: What are the basic Scales for newbie?

4/19/2007 7:50 AM

Converse Jack (59) wrote:

WOW.so many scales to learn.Better start now.Thanks to all who response to me.Appreaciate all your guide.so major scales first after that.......hm.....



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Re: What are the basic Scales for newbie?

4/19/2007 12:19 PM

Adriano Parmiggianno (6926) wrote:

Thanks for the correction Jon. I kind of like the idea of chord arpeggios.

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Re: What are the basic Scales for newbie?

5/16/2007 11:56 AM

Jason Parker (2612) wrote:

I say learn the Pentatonic Scale first, then later the Major Scale and Modes, Melodic Minor Scale, Harmonic Minor Scale. That should be plenty for a long time, unless you're practicing a crazy amount of time each day.