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what;s this chord

Matthew Laham (4382)
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4/6/2007 10:49:04 PM · 46 Views

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I've been noodling around as usual with the guitar and I stumbled on this nifty sounding chord:

as yet unknown

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Re: what;s this chord
4/6/2007 11:29:55 PM
Adriano Parmiggianno (5751) wrote:

D_F#_A_C#_E_G = 1_3_5_7_9_11
D_F#_A____E_G = 1_3_5___9_11 is what you've got. D add9 and 11 is what I'd call it.


D add9
D add 9 and 11


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Re: what;s this chord
4/7/2007 3:32:22 AM
Dude Absher (4654) wrote:

Matthew:

Depending on how it is played it would be-

Dadd4add9add12
Dadd4add9

Em9bb5/D
E7#9sus2sus4/D




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Re: what;s this chord
4/7/2007 5:38:29 AM
Charles Gacsi (42523) wrote:

Chords are generally figured from the bass upwards to see what would make the most sense. Sometimes the notes need to be re arranged in a persons head so they fit harmonically in the most sensible arrangement of a harmonic chord.

D, followed with an F# spells a major third, the beginning of a D major triad. The A then becomes the fifth. No kind of a C (for a 7th). The E is place higher and that tells us it is a 9th and not a second.(add9) G on top indicates the 11th (add 11) and not a 4th. How you play those notes has nothing to do with the name of the chord, even if it were an arpeggio. If some of the notes belong to another measure or beat it might make a difference in what the composer actually tended.

4 & 11 have the same notes. 5th and 12th have the same notes. 6th and 13th have the same notes. When fewer notes are available, the lower interval numeral is generally used. While the 12th could be used, it would be extremely rare to find that in place of the 5th. Generally fewer the number the easier it is to play the correct sounds. and after all that is the point of the symbol... to have the guitarist recognize nd play the correct sound within milli seconds of time.. not seconds ... or minutes. I have never seen the numeral 12 used on a chord symbol unless the purpose is to screw someone up.

When something gets too complex music notation is used to settle what is intended to be played. A few times a notes may be used (1) to indicate the melodic line, or(2) a note may be used to indicate the bottom note to be used or (3)no chord symbol just the notes. If a 6th and 7th are both used the 7th probably placed under the 6th and in that case we make reference to it as the 13th. We then open the intervals up by separation distance wise of the two intervals. Instead of having a 6th and 7th it beomes a 7th and 13th. The intervals are spread further apart which make it very palitable to listen to.

Charlie




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Re: what;s this chord
4/7/2007 6:44:58 AM
Jon Riley (9692) wrote:

Where did you get these strange names, Dude? (some crazy chord identification software or site?)

"Em9bb5/D"
"bb5"??? Come on, where have you ever seen one of those? ;-)
Why not call it "4" or (given that there's a 7th) 11?

"E7#9sus2sus4/D"
E7#9 needs a G#. Otherwise the "#9" is a minor 3rd.
And the 2 is the same note as the 9, so a chord (or scale) can't have both a 2 and a #9.
At least, the chord would need to include the major 3rd as well (as 2 and b3/#2) before confronting that possibility.


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Re: what;s this chord
4/7/2007 5:43:11 AM
Charles Gacsi (42523) wrote:

Shades of Tony Matolla. Dissonance. Headache. A spot for one second attention getter. Is not musically enjoyable by itself.

Charlie




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Re: what;s this chord
4/7/2007 4:10:36 PM
Matthew Laham (4382) wrote:

no no no. I shift into that one from a Cadd9 of the same fingering and sometimes up to an Em7


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Re: what;s this chord
4/7/2007 6:38:49 AM
Jon Riley (9692) wrote:

It's hard to name because the combination of notes and intervals doesn't suggest a definite root.
It looks like some sort of D chord. And Adriano's "Dadd9add11" (or "Dadd4add9") would do, although it's rather clumsy.

Another possibility is an inversion of Em11 (with no 5th), or a Gmaj13 with no 3rd.
Or an odd inversion of A13sus4 (it would need a lower A root to confirm it).

The problem is that roots are indicated (acoustically) by intervals as follows:
(1) D-A 12th (octave + 5th): means D root
(2) D-G 4th: means G root
(3) E-A 4th: means A root

Option (1) is supported by the major 3rd (F#), as as well being the lowest root; while the others are missing a relevant 3rd. (But 3rds are less important than 5ths in establishing chord root identities.)
However, the open G still fights the D root, as the D-F#-G is a common (partial) voicing for Gmaj7, and also for a rootless Em9.

The name you give it (if you need to name it at all :-) ) should depend on the context - the chords either side, and any bass note that might be played at the same time.


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Re: what;s this chord
4/7/2007 9:01:04 PM
Wayne Daindudel (120) wrote:

Oh I remember that one, I think from some old song its called...
HA! howsabout the "Goodbye Blue Sky chord"


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