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song publishers

kind of a stupid question...but why do music artists need publishers?
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Re: song publishers

11/26/2006 11:21 PM

Gary Murphy (3498) wrote:

Because publishing music is not there job.

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Re: song publishers

11/27/2006 9:26 AM

Rob Bee (569) wrote:

It's to do with copyright.

I might be wrong about the exact details but I think it's covering
a different area of protection.
Mechanical copyright is held separatly from performers
copyright. A recorded work is protected by mechanical copyright
and the laws which govern the medium it is stored on - whether
it's an album on CD, a performance from a TV show on film,
hard disk whatever. The actual copyright of the song is held
separately and I think is protected by the publishers. In practicle
terms, if you want to do a cover of a song you need permission
from the holders of the songs copyright, if you want to sample a
song or use a clip of a performance on a video/DVD you need
permission to use the song - as previous - AND mechanical
copyright clearance to use the version you want (from the
publishers, if I'm right).

To draw a parallel, you can perform Shakespeare whenever you
like as it's out of copyright, but you can't photocopy a
Shakespeare book without permission from the publishers.

I'm fairly sure I've got some detail wrong there, but it's
something like that.



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Re: song publishers

11/27/2006 9:47 AM

Rob Bee (569) wrote:

Further to my above reply I've breached copyrights aplenty by
cut and pasting the below from
http://www.mpaonline.org.uk/faqs/what_is_pub.html


"The business of music publishing is concerned with developing,
protecting and valuing music.

The business is diverse and demands a variety of skills. These
range from the ability to spot writing talent and original music
that is likely to appeal to an audience, to ensuring that all uses
of music are properly licensed and paid for. Music publishers
play a vital role in the development of new music and in taking
care of the business side, allowing composers and songwriters
to concentrate on their creative work.

The role of a music publisher involves:

Finding new and talented songwriters and composers and
encouraging and supporting them as they develop their skills,
whether through helping with their living expenses, providing
them with the facilities they need to produce music or offering
advice and guidance in writing for particular markets;

Securing commissions for new works and helping to coordinate
work flow;

Registering the works of songwriters and composers with all
appropriate collecting societies and agencies, such as MCPS and
PRS;

Producing performance materials (score and parts) and
demonstration recordings;

Producing and licensing the production of printed music;

Preparing promotional materials, including sampler CDs, study
scores, etc;

Promoting composers and songwriters to performers,
broadcasters, record companies and others who use music on a
commercial basis;

Licensing the use of music;

Monitoring and tracking the use of the music they own and
ensuring that proper payment is made for all licensed uses;

Making royalty payments to songwriters and composers in
respect of the usage of their music;

Taking appropriate action against anyone using music without
the necessary licence;

The business of music publishing is dependent upon there being
a strong copyright framework in place. The control of copyright
enables a publisher to recover the investment made in
songwriters and composers and to ensure that they are
rewarded for their creative work. Without copyright there would
be no financial incentive for music publishers to invest in
composers and musical works. This would be to the detriment of
composers who depend upon publishers to manage the business
of exploiting musical works and administering royalty payments.

The relationship between a music publisher and a songwriter/
composer is supported by a publishing contract setting out the
rights and obligations of each to the other. Under these
contracts songwriters and composers assign the copyright in
their music to the music publisher in return for a commitment to
promote, exploit and protect that music. The publisher agrees to
pay the songwriter/composer a percentage of any income
earned from such exploitation as royalties."

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Re: song publishers

11/27/2006 12:19 PM

Gary Murphy (3498) wrote:

Copyrights are a governmental/legal issue. The govenment is there to make sure we don't kill each or rob each other blind. A little is ok, but too much is bad. The govenment wants to keep crime low enough so that government can function although that is an oxymoron. Governments function best that function least.

Publishing is a business thing. Groups like ASCAP and BMI try to make sure song writers get their fair cut of the money. Publishers are usually affiliated with BMI or ASCAP but the publishers tries to make money by selling songs to artists.