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I want to start a forum asking who people think are the most skilled guitarists.
I have read other forums, and believe that people confuse their personal favorite with who is acutally best.
I say that Joe Satriani is the greatest guitar player of all time. Times change, and while the Claptons and Hendrixes and Santanas of rock history GREATLY affected music, and are much more influential than Satriani, do you really think that the great guitarists of the past could (death or old age not being an issue) really play like Satriani? Or even Van Halen?
What does everyone think? Are the guitarists that use newer methods and styles better than the guitar gods of the past? I think so!
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Re: Best Guitarists- Guess What? Times Change!
7/14/2001 4:23:59 PM
Ronald Gallagher
(540) wrote:
While reading through this discussion, I see some cat saying Andres Segovia is nothing special. Yet the man has earned a place in history that very few will even approach.
He brought a form of the art of guitar playing to a new level and to a worldwide audience. Many guitarists on a very high level hold Segovia in high esteem.
Our opinions are indeed our own and I respect that.
However from time to time I find it very hard to read through much of these discussions.
We all have our favorite players, but to state that a man like Andres Segovia is "Nothing Special" is very disrespectful.
Of course, this is only my opinion......... |
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Re: Best Guitarists- Guess What? Times Change!
7/14/2001 5:18:51 PM
Stone Dragon
(8509) wrote:
That was just Lemmy... oops, I mean... Sam Jolly being his usual self. Not to worry. |
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Re: Best Guitarists- Guess What? Times Change!
7/15/2001 7:55:57 PM
Maciek Sakrejda
(8053) wrote:
It's not quite disrespectful. That would be giving the poster too much credit. It's simply ignorant. Or maybe misinformed. Or perhaps a ridiculous effort at trying to get people riled up...
-m |
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Re: Best Guitarists- Guess What? Times Change!
8/8/2002 10:17:46 PM
Derek Tyler
(2313) wrote:
It's subjective, really, talking about who's The Best. I know that when I listen to the solo from "Highway Star" it's hard to imagine Ritchie Blackmore being scared of Satch. But when you play at that level, you can pretty much make your guitar do anything you want it to, I think. In the end it comes down to either a speed contest
or a style preference. Great technicians are not always great musicians...then again sometimes they are the best musicians of all. EVH can do things Hendrix never did, but Hendrix also did things that Eddie will never do. The top guitarists seem to put Hendrix and Jeff Beck at the top of their lists, probably for good reason.
Can Satch play better than John McLoughlin? Who knows? Does it really matter? I don't think it does. Genius is genius, in all it's many manifestations. The music business may be a competition, but music is not. Music is art, it is the voice of the gods being expressed by imperfect mortals. There is no reason to think he is the fastest talker in the room, but when you hear his voice you will be changed forever. And that voice can come from anywhere.
If that made sense to you, then I really did earn my two points this time...
Derek |
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Re: Best Guitarists- Guess What? Times Change!
7/15/2001 7:44:17 PM
Alex Cordasco
(20) wrote:
What!?!?!?! All new guitarists with exception of a few have been driving music to the f---ing ground. Sevenstrings drop d tuning s---ty riffs just power chords! These guitarists are a disgrace to every lover of this fine instrument. P.S Eddie Van Halen is the best guitarist ever. |
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Re: Best Guitarists- Guess What? Times Change!
8/8/2002 10:00:53 PM
Daniel Verberne
(966) wrote:
Dan,
I'm glad you have brought this thread up, i'm VERY slow on catching up to it, found it thru searching the forums for Satch's album "The Extremist" actually!
My opinion is that the newer breed of guitarists, who have been heavily influenced by what has come before them, i.e. the Hendrixisms, the Claptons, etc, HAVE, in my opinion, taken the musical flexibility and power of expression of the guitar FURTHER than their predecessors. This seems only logical to me; just as scientific development and progress is almost always dependent and based upon the research and achievments of scientific minds in the past, so are musical achievements often built upon the achievements of those that came before.
I find it VERY hard to understand why so many people in the world idolise and worship the playing of Jimi Hendrix. I simply cannot fathom it because to my ear; his playing does not have the control, the diversity, the alienating atmosphere, the chops, the gorgeous feel, control and dynamics of many of the guitarists who were inspired by his music, but took the inspiration and took it further, blending with new ideas, new technologies, newer guitars with equipment better capable of reproducing sounds that Hendrix would only have dreamed about.
Surely, this point cannot be refuted. Just as Einstein could not have imagined how far advanced our own achievements and research in Quantum Physics have lept and bound since Einstein's passing, surely, so too could Hendrix barely comprehend the massive groundbreaking work that has been achieved, partly in his name, and at least inspired by him.
Sometimes I feel that many people cling to the notion that modern guitarists, often with fantastic chops, simply cannot attain and play with the same 'feel' and 'tone' that earlier players did. This also boggles my mind.
Sure, maybe many of the recent slew of rock guitarists, i.e. Joe Satriani, Steve Vai, John Petrucci, etc, etc, don't play with a clean channel Gibson sound and populate 12-bar tracks with little bluesy licks to a shuffle beat, but that doesn't make the licks that these modern players play any less 'felt' and powerful.
Cheers
Daniel Verberne |
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Re: Best Guitarists- Guess What? Times Change!
8/8/2002 10:33:40 PM
Tony Well
(126) wrote:
I couldn't have said it any better myself! You pretty much took the words right out of my mouth. |
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Re: Best Guitarists- Guess What? Times Change!
8/9/2002 12:08:03 AM
Derrick Rogers
(2415) wrote:
It's really a rhetorical debate, that for some reason, perhaps due to the psuedo-phallic nature of the instrument, will probably never go away.
And let's face it, the sub-demographic of people who care to measure the "greatest guitarist ever", is at best an unhealthy mix of those new to the instrument, as well as those to caught up on trivial issues such as this to go do things like...oh...practice.
It all boils down to personal taste, I suppose.
The really good players simply play like themselves, and that's what makes them special.
IMO, this is what keeps hendrix relevant despite further technical advances on the instrument. Although people readily identify Hendix as being "good" (well, not simply good, but you get the idea) this is not why they listen to him. They listen to him because they dig what he played. It just so happens that what he played happened to be difficult. However, it is obvious that the music is difficult, and in result, he is perceived as the superlative musician of his time.
Do you understand? |
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Re: Best Guitarists- Guess What? Times Change!
8/8/2002 10:40:33 PM
Chris Bond
(7074) wrote:
Guess you never heard of guys like Django Reinhardt or Charlie Christian, the modern methods are based on thier playing. Listen to some of the early Flamenco composers, Satriani pales in comparison. |
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Re: Best Guitarists- Guess What? Times Change!
8/9/2002 12:48:17 AM
Brian Elzey
(4322) wrote:
Anyone who has heard Joe Pass's Virtuoso CD has to list him up there with the greats. Technique: Not just very fast single note runs, but bass lines, chords, melody all woven into a sonic masterpiece. Many here seem to equate fast single note lines with technique. There's so much more to a player like Joe pass than that.
Also, something alot of people are overlooking is improvization. What makes an albumn like Virtuoso so amazing is that alot of it is being made up on the spot! That's technique-that's expressiveness- that's musicianship-that's virtuosity (hence the name of the albumn). Man, let me go find that CD and put it in.....
Brian. |
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